Kingdom – Short Online Discussion

The following is a small portion of an online discussion where the basic points from both sides of the argument were made. For a much longer discussion see the posted articles:

The following is a more typical but shorter discussion. (It has become fairly common in online discussions to see Jehovah’s Witnesses do little more than paste an article from a Watchtower or the book “What Does the Bible Really Teach?”
  • Even since 33 C.E. Jesus has “ruled” over all the kingdoms of the earth and all the powers of the heavens, but without taking specific action toward these kingdoms until the “conclusion of the system of things.” In the meantime, all Christians have recognized Jesus as king of his subjects who recognize and obey him, and therefore, through the ages, Christians respect the current kingdoms of the earth, yet are not truly subjects of them. Christians represent a holy nation that acts as foreigners and temporary residents among the world’s nations (1 Peter 2:9-14.)

    1 Peter 3:22 states: “22 He is at God’s right hand,+ for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.+”

    At Jesus’ resurrection in 33 C.E.he said that “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.” (Matt 28:18). Christians recognize Jesus as King and that we are his subjects and must obey his commands. This is why Jesus follows that statement with a “therefore.” 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations,+ baptizing them+ in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.+ And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”*+

    Also in Revelation chapter 1, even before John says he “came to be in the Lord’s day” he greets the seven congregations with “John to the seven congregations+ that are in the province of Asia: May you have undeserved kindness and peace from . . .Jesus Christ, . . . “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.”. . .6 and he made us to be a kingdom,+priests+ to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.”

    The Apostle Paul no doubt considered Jesus as already ruling as king in his day, since he replaced the words “sit at my right hand” with “rule as king” when referencing Psalm 110 in 1 Corinthians 15:24-25: “Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.+ 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.+”

    In Colossians 2:10, 15 he explains further: .+ 10 So you have acquired a fullness by means of him, the one who is the head of all government and authority. . . .15 He has stripped the governments and the authorities bare and has publicly exhibited them as conquered,+ leading them in a triumphal procession by means of it.*

    In the previous chapter Paul had already said, starting in verse 13: “He rescued us from the authority of the darkness+ and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son, …16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,+ whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.”

    We, as Christians, already see the full breadth of Jesus’ authority and power even though the recognition of that authority is a process that can go on for some time. Our need for patience then was recognized in 2 Peter 3:8-15: “However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.+ 9 Jehovah* is not slow concerning his promise,+ as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.+ … 15 Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him,+ ”

  • What are the Kingdoms that Jesus Christ Rules Over ?

    A Kingdom must have a king. Jehovah appointed his son, Jesus Christ to be king of his kingdom.–According to Re 11:15 Reads
    ” The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord & of his Christ, & he will rule as king forever & ever.”
    [ Ps 2:6.] ” I myself have installed my king On Zion, my holy mountain.”
    According to: [Da 7:13-14.] ” I kept watching in the visions of the night, & look ! With the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; & he gained access to the Ancient of Day’s & they brought him up close before that one.And to him,there were given Rulership, Honor, & a Kingdom, that the peoples, nations, & language groups should all serve him.
    His Rulership is an Everlasting Rulership that will not pass away, & his kingdom will not be destroyed.

    According to: {Lk 1:32-33.} ” This one will be Great & will be called the son of the most high & Jehovah God will give him the–
    Throne of David his father, and he will Rule as king over the House of Jacob forever, & there will be no end to his Kingdom.
    All-In-All, According to : [2 Pe 1:11.] The son of the most high will have an Everlasting kingdom of our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ.
    According to:[Ps 145:13.] Your kingdom is an Eternal kingship.And your dominion Endures through-out all Generations.
    According to:[Da 2:44.] The God of heaven will set-up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. This kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush & put an end to all these kingdoms, & it alone will stand forever.
    According to:[Mt 24:14.] And this Good News of the kingdom will be Preached in All the inhabited earth for a witness to
    All the nations, & then the End Will Come.
    According to: [1Co 15: 24-26] Next,the end,when he hands over the kingdom to his God & Father,when he has brought
    to nothing all government & all authority & power.
    For he must rule as king until [God] has put all Enemies Under his feet.
    As the last Enemy, Death is to be brought to nothing..

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